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Growing Up: Liberal social justice vs woke & history lovers

Published 3 months ago • 2 min read

Hey guys,

This week on the pod I interviewed someone who worked at JP Morgan for 19 years. He tells the story of sitting at the memorial of one of his friends who passed away at 48 and thinking to himself "if I died at 48 is this how I would have wanted to live my life?". The answer was no, so he left and returned to his first love HISTORY. (Nothing against JPM).

He now runs a history magazine, promoting the work of authors (historians and historical fiction writers). On his podcast he's interviewed Andrew Roberts, Charles Spencer (Diana's bro), Nigel Biggar, Ben Macintyre, Douglas Murray, Konstantin Kisin, Tom Holland etc. HOW COOL. (I just realised this list is largely Oxbridge educated 60+ year old white men. Oops... they were just the names I recognised!!)

The first paragraph on his website links with the idea I am sharing this week (what's that old Soviet joke about the ever-changing past... 'the future is certain, it's the past that's unpredictable'):

Aspects of History encompasses a range of views from our heritage. The past isn’t dead. It’s not even past. But, equally so, the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. The study of history should be encouraged, as opposed to erased. We have no intention of no-platforming any voices. Indeed, we encourage writers to arrange permanent platforms with us through this site to enable historians and novelists to promote their work in an ongoing way via interviews, podcasts, blog posts, short stories and book reviews. History should be both championed and challenged, disseminated and debated.

More details about the pod below but first:

Liberal Social Justice vs Woke (Tim Urban)

I just saw this on twitter and thought it was too good not to share.

Tim Urban (Wait But Why guy... he had that really popular TED talk with the stick figures talking about procrastination... the instant gratification monkey and the panic monster. Remember?? It's great.) wrote:

The woke worldview, mentality, and tactics are diametrically opposed to the kind of liberal progressivism that brought us women’s suffrage, civil rights, and same sex marriage. If your goal is to “lift and support those who need it most,” defending a deeply illiberal movement is not the way to get there.

Someone then asked him to please expand on how these two things are diametrically opposed and he replied with the following (I have changed the formatting to make it more clear):

LIBERAL SOCIAL JUSTICE vs WOKE
Pro free speech vs anti free speech
Achieves goals using persuasion vs achieves goals using coercion
Interested in dissent vs tries to punish dissenters
Wide and diverse vs narrow and conformist
Thinks America [Australia / the West etc] should be improved vs thinks America [Australia / the West etc] is fundamentally evil
Treats issues as nuanced vs treats issues as black and white
Treats people as individuals vs treats people as monolithic groups
Strives for unity vs strives for division
Fosters compassion vs fosters resentment
Truth matters most vs activist goals matter more than truth
Thinks liberalism is good vs thinks liberalism is the problem
Historically effective at making positive change for disadvantaged people vs historically ineffective at making positive change for disadvantage people

The Growing Up platform tries to live by the LHS column... hopefully we're (I'm) doing a good job (even though it's more about sharing ideas than social justice, but you get it)

This week on Growing Up with Delia Burgess
Ep. 92 - Oliver Webb-Carter: leaving banking after 20 years to return to his first love (history)
Oliver Webb-Carter, having studied history & archaeology, worked at JP Morgan for nearly two decades, before deciding to return to his first love, history. He is the editor and co-founder of Aspects of History, a magazine and podcast dedicated to history and historical fiction.

aspectsofhistory.com

Best,
Delia

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