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Growing Up: ending social anxiety + let's talk about race (in a not annoying way) + Alzheimer's

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"Your race is not a significant feature of who you are. Who you are is your character, your value, and your skin colour doesn't say anything about that." (see below)

Guys hi,

I just watched the 10 min clip of Coleman Hughes on the View (Whoopi Goldberg's show) and was blown away.

Someone on twitter put it so well:
The End of Race Politics author @coldxman's appearance on @TheView is a great example of how much better public discourse is when people with different POVs interact. Sharp but civil disagreement abt the need for colourblind policies.

I have included the transcript below because IT'S SO GOOD.

BUT FIRST

Completely unrelated, a little anecdote from the book I'm currently finishing (this one I started & read about 40 pages of when I was in the Himalayas ~18 months ago. I wrote to you guys from there... remember! (can't believe this was pre podcast) Slash if you're new here, hi, welcome aboard!!!)

The book is Radical Acceptance by Tara Brach

And this is story about a man who attended a 10-day retreat the author was leading.

Jacob, almost seventy, was in the midstages of Alzheimer's disease. A clinical psychologist by profession and a mediator for more than twenty years, he was well aware that his faculties were deteriorating. On occasion his mind would go totally blank; he would have no access to words for several minutes and become completely disoriented...
...A couple of days into the retreat, Jacob had his first interview with me. These meetings, which students have regularly with a teacher while on retreat, are an opportunity to check in and receive personal guidance in the practice. During our time together Jacob and I talked about how things were going both on retreat and at home. His attitude towards his disease was interested, sad, grateful, even good-humored.
Intrigued by his resilience, I asked him what allowed him to be so accepting. He responded, “It doesn’t feel like anything is wrong. I feel grief and some fear about it all going, but it feels like real life.” Then he told me about an experience he’d had in an earlier stage of the disease.
Jacob had occasionally given talks about Buddhism to local groups and had accepted an invitation to address a gathering of over a hundred meditation students. He arrived at the event feeling alert and eager to share the teachings he loved. Taking his seat in front of the hall, Jacob looked out at the sea of expectant faces in front of him … and suddenly he didn’t know what he was supposed to say or do. He didn’t know where he was or why he was there. All he knew was that his heart was pounding furiously and his mind was spinning in confusion.
Putting his palms together at his heart, Jacob started naming out loud what was happening: “Afraid, embarrassed, confused, feeling like I’m failing, powerless, shaking, sense of dying, sinking, lost.” For several more minutes he sat, head slightly bowed, continuing to name his experience. As his body began to relax and his mind grew calmer, he also noted that aloud. At last Jacob lifted his head, looked slowly around at those gathered, and apologised.
Many of the students were in tears. As one put it, “No one has ever offered us teachings like this. Your presence has been the deepest dharma teaching.”
Rather than pushing away his experience and deepening his agitation, Jacob had the courage and training simply to name what he was aware of, and, most significantly, to bow to his experience. In some fundamental way he didn’t create an adversary out of feelings of fear and confusion. He didn’t make anything wrong.

How beautiful is that story... my reminder to accept the negative feelings as they pass over me and not resist. By welcoming them we are free of being consumed in them...

Okay the Coleman exchange (watch here instead / thank you AI for creating transcripts for me how useful / if you're here for the social anxiety bit, that's at the bottom).

I know it's a tad long but this is really so great and so important!

TLDR:
- They disagree a lot about the focus on race
- Coleman deals with an accusation of being a charlatan and a pawn with incredible patience and composure
- They explore why the data shows that racial race relations were getting better until about 2013 and there's since been a reversal
- At the end Whoopi gives everyone a copy of Coleman's book and says they can make their own minds up (yay for encouraging free thinking!)
- Afterwards Coleman posts on Twitter saying he had good time on the show!
- Yay for being able to disagree and talk about important issues calmly and respectfully!!

... also I know very American focussed (hi Americans, you are very welcome here, you're just slightly outnumbered by "Rest of World" people as you call us) but interestingly I went to a talk by Lord Tony Sewell last week who was making the same arguments about race in Britain (for example education for students in London, which includes black students is now miles ahead of parts of Wales for example (white, working class). I.e. education disparities in Britain today are a largely a class issue not a race issue.)

Okay transcript (slightly edited for clarity) or skip to bottom to read about this week's pod and CONSENSUS-ISM:

Whoopi: The first question that I should ask you to do is explain to folks what you mean by this. "Arguments for a colourblind America." What do you mean when you say that?

Coleman: So a lot of people equate colour-blindness to I don't see race or to pretending not to see race. I think that's a big mistake. We all see race, right? And we're all capable of being racially biased, so we should all be self-aware to that possibility.

My argument is not for that. My argument is that we should try our very best to treat people without regard to race, both in our personal lives and our public policy. Of course. And the reason I wrote this book, thank you. You're welcome.

The reason I wrote this book is because in the past 10 years, it has become very popular to, in the name of anti-racism, teach a kind of philosophy to our children and in general that says your race is everything. And I think that is the wrong way to fight racism. And that's why I wrote this book at this time.

Whoopi: Can I, I'm sorry, baby. Can I just point out that there is a reason for that. You know, when I went to school, getting any information about anyone's race, was not taught in history. There was no black history. None of those things were taught. And here in America, 100 years ago when I was a young woman, that's how people saw you. That's how they judged you. So I think it's, I don't want to say it's your youth, but I think you have a point, but I think you have to also take into consideration what people have lived through in order to understand why.

There has been such a pointing of very specific racial things. Like women couldn't go to get into colleges. If you are a black person, there are a lot of colleges wouldn't accept you trying to equal the playing field. I think that's what a lot of folks have been trying to do. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

Coleman: I think that's your experience and that's valid.

You know, as a counterpoint, when I was in fifth grade, we all watched Roots together in public school. So these are different experiences. I think it's also different generations. It's different parts of the country, right? We have very different cultures all living together in one country. So I'm not going to deny that. But I think I view this notion of a colour-blind society similar to the idea of a peaceful society, which is to say it's an ideal. It's a North Star. And the point is not that we're ever going to get there. We're not going to touch it.

But we have to know when we're going forward and when we're going backwards and we're going backwards…

A different The View lady (not Whoopi): … but wait, I want to get to the book. You actually believe that public policies that address socioeconomic differences would be better at benefit benefiting disadvantaged groups and that race based policies often hurt the very people they're trying to help. What are some some examples of policies that would be better at reducing racial disparities.

Coleman: So my overall argument is that class socioeconomics is a better proxy for disadvantage. We all want to help the disadvantaged. And the question is how do we identify them. Right. The default right now in a lot of areas of policy is to use you know black and Hispanic identity as a proxy for disadvantage. And my argument is that you actually get a better picture of who needs help by looking at socioeconomics and income that that picks out people in a more accurate way.

(lots of applause)

Sunny Hostin: And not my question, but when you say that socioeconomics picks out people in a better way than race, when you do look at the socioeconomics, you see the huge disparity between white households and black households. You see the huge disparity between white households and Hispanic households. So your argument, and I've read your book twice because I wanted to give it a chance, your argument that race has no place in that equation is really fundamentally flawed in my opinion.

Coleman: Well, there are two separate questions. One is whether each racial group is socioeconomically the same. I agree with you, they're not. Yeah, they're not. And the stats show that. Yeah, of course, I agree with that fully. The question is how do you address that in the way that actually targets poverty the best? And what Martin Luther King wrote in his book, Why We Can't Wait, is he called it, we need a bill of rights for the disadvantaged. And he said, yes, we should address racial inequality. Yes, we should address the legacy of slavery. But the way to do that is on the basis of class. And that will disproportionately target blacks and Hispanics because they're disproportionately poor. But it will be doing so in a way that also helps the white poor, in a way that addresses poverty as the thing to be addressed. That part is true. But as you are a student of Dr. King, I'm not only a student of Dr. King. I know his daughter, Bernice. Right? So I'm going to get to my point.

Whoopi: Go ahead, go right ahead.

Sunny Hostin: I think the premise is fundamentally flawed. You claim that colour blindness was the goal of the civil rights movement based upon Dr. King's I Have a Dream speech, you know, content of character versus the colour of skin.

Bernice, Dr. King's daughter, points out that four years after giving that speech Dr. King also said this “A society that has done something special against a Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for Negroes”. He also said in 1968, it was about less than a week before he was assassinated, “this country never stops to realize that they owe a people kept in slavery for 244 years.” So rather than class, he did write about that earlier on. Right before his death, he made the argument for racial equality and racial reparations.

And so your argument for colour blindness, I think, is something that the right has co-opted. And so many in the black community, if I'm being honest with you, because I want to be believe that you are being used as a pawn by the right and that you are a charlatan of sorts.

Another host: He's not a Republican.

Coleman: Who am I voting for?

Sunny Hostin: You've said that you're a conservative.

Coleman: No.

Sunny Hostin: No. No, you did. You actually said that podcast that you did two weeks ago.

Coleman: I said I was a conservative?

Sunny Hostin: Yes, yes, you did. But my question to you is, how do you respond to those critics?

Another host: Okay, let’s let him answer

Coleman: I think it's very important. The quote. That you just pointed out about “doing something special for the Negro”. That's from the book, Why We Can't Wait, that I just mentioned. A couple paragraphs later, he lays out exactly what that something special was, and it was the Bill of Rights for the Disadvantaged, a broad class -based policy.

Sunny Hostin: But he also says you must include race.

Coleman: No, he didn't, he says it's…

Sunny Hostin: Yes, he does.

Coleman: Okay, well everyone should go read the book, Why We Can't Wait. Let's not get sidetracked by that.

I don't think I've been co-opted by anyone. I've only voted twice, both for Democrats. Although I'm an independent, I would vote for a Republican, probably a non -Trump Republican if they were compelling. I don't think there's any evidence I've been co-opted by anyone, and I think that that's an ad hominem tactic people use to not address really the important conversations we're having here. And I think it's better and it would be... It's better for everyone if we stuck to the topics rather than make it about me. With no evidence that I've been co-opted…

Sunny Hostin: I want to give you the opportunity to respond to the criticism.

Coleman: I appreciate it. There's no evidence that I've been co -opted by anyone. I have an independent podcast. I work for CNN as an analyst. I write for the free press. I'm independent in all of these endeavours, and no one is paying me to say what I'm saying. I'm saying it because I feel it.

Whoopi: Alyssa, you have the question.

Alyssa: Coleman, thanks for being here. So in the past decade, it feels like racial tensions have gotten worse. Do you see it that way and what do you attribute it to?

Coleman: Absolutely. I mean, if you look at all the data, it finds that racial race relations were getting better until about 2013. That year, you had a majority of black, Hispanic and white Americans saying race relations were good. And then you just see it nosedive. And 2013, you know, people like to blame Republicans like to blame Obama wasn't his fault. Democrats like to blame Trump.

It was actually just technology. We all got social media and smartphones and we had videos being promoted in the algorithm that were unrepresentative and it created this impression that racism was on the rise when in fact it had been on the decline for decades…

Another host: Okay. I have a question. Cause you write that the anti-racism movement, there are a couple of...I don't even know who they are. Maybe Robin D 'Angelo. Robin D 'Angelo or Ibram Kendi, for instance… Well, you say that that is just another form of racism, and you even say it has a lot in common with white supremacy. How can you compare those two things? You're talking about anti -racism. You're comparing it to white supremacy.

Coleman: Because they both view your race as an extremely significant part of who you are. So white supremacists, they obviously say, we all know what they say, okay.

Neo-racists like Rob DiAngelo, they say that to be white is to be ignorant, for example. Well, this is a racial stereotype, and I want to call a spade a spade and say this is not the style of antiracism we have to be teaching our kids. We should be teaching them that your race is not a significant feature of who you are. Who you are is your character, your value, and your skin colour doesn't say anything about that.

(lots of applause)

Whoopi: Thank you, Coleman Hughes, for coming. Because this is a show of lots of different opinions. And we are multi-generational. And we all got an opinion. So The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colourblind America is out now. And we're giving it to you all. So you can read it and judge for yourself how you feel about what he's saying.

This week on Growing Up with Delia Burgess
Ep. 96 - Alex Large: conquering social anxiety & IFS​

Twitter: @alexishelping
Alex wrote this really cool post about an idea called consensus-ism. Consensus-ism is the opposite of self-coercion. Self-coercion is forcing yourself to do things which maybe don't make sense. Consensus-ism is an amazing way to live and has been a game-changer for me!!! It is difficult for me to explain what it is or how exactly it works... for some of you maybe you already live like this and you don't get what I'm talking about. BUT for those of you who are keen to learn more because you feel like you also live in this state of fighting with yourself over what you "should" be doing and maybe then don't get that much done (according to what you think you should get done), we talk about it in the ep / Alex explains it in these two substack posts. (Also if you're worried that by living like this you won't ever do the things you need to do but don't want to do, e.g. paying taxes, we also address this)

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